This restriction is made under protest, but we have to do this to comply with Californias infringement on the freedoms of speech and association of the NRA and our members, supporters, and the general public. Like the .243 Winchester, the 6mm Creedmoor is also a really good varmint as well as big game hunting cartridge. The difference between the .243 Winchester and the 6mm Creedmoor can indeed make the difference in a tightly contested shooting match, but the gap between them is small enough that very few hunters will notice afield. The 6.5mm Creedmoor isnt a heavy recoiling magnum by any stretch of the imagination, but the .243 Winchester and 6mm Creedmoor have the edge in this respect. I shot 87 vmax mostly at 2900 fps or so iirc with 8208. The 6 Creed wins every time, if we are talking velocities. Also Available At: Brownells and Guns.com. Only a few metric calibers have been really popular in the United . BR GT Dasher all fine established cartridges but Brass and no factory rifle availability shows there limited appeal. Been doing a little more experimenting 6mm ARC Complete Upper 20" SS Barrel and 6mm Reloading EVERYTHING! similar to a .260 Remington) but with a long neck and the proven 30 degree shoulder angle that is seen so often in the top performing accuracy cartridges. For 75gr and lighter competition and varmint bullets, a 1-10 twist rate would be fine. TheHornady 10th Edition(p231-237 and p317-322) reloading manual was also used as a reference for the history of the cartridges and provided data to compare their size and recoil. A few years later, Gardner was brainstorming ideas on how to gain an advantage in the new Precision Rifle Series competition (PRS) that was rapidly growing in popularity and remembered the project hed worked on with Snow. Definitely not worth arguing. 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As with the the 6.5 PRC and the 300 PRC that are already out and have enjoyed large initial success and hype, the PRC in 7mm PRC stands for Precision Rifle Cartridge, and just like its siblings, it is a product of Hornadys cartridge design division. which is also much easier to find than 6 ARC or grendel. As a result, the NRA is forced to restrict the sending of certain materials and information into California. To my way of thinking, we are splitting hairs ballistically, and as always the shooter will make all the difference. The problem is that Hornady, which developed the 6 mm ARC, made a slight alteration to the case length so that it would be compatible with very long 6 mm bullets that have a high BC. While the Precision Hunter ammo uses the same type of bullet for all 3 cartridges, the 243 and 6mm Creedmoor use different weight bullets with that line of ammo. Unfortunately, were not living in normal times as I write this in September 2021. For the sake of discussion, why do you believe that the ARC will overtake the Grendel? The only way that works is if his arc barrel is very fast and the creed is super slow and loaded light, similar pressures the creed will outperform the arc every time now the arc will be more efficient. The 6mm Remington was built with a new factory load of 100 grain and was said to have an exit velocity of 3,190 fps. So, take all that for what you will. The 6mm ARC came in second place with an effective distance of 550 yards. The 6mm, refers to the bore diameter of the barrel, more specifically actually a .243 or 6mm bullet diameter. In this article, Im going to discuss the pros and cons of the 6mm Creedmoor cartridge in detail. The only place where it was always claimed that the .243 Winchester won the 6mm Creedmoor, was with ammo availability. Unfortunately, thats not the case with the 243 Winchester. So although John Snow from Outdoor Life magazine and website has claimed that it was his idea as early as 2007 but that they only made such a rifle later in 2009 for an article that appeared in the magazine in 2010 (earliest mention I can find of an Outdoor Life magazine that contains an article of a 6mm Creedmoor is of the Aug 2011 issue), that cannot be verified, so we will officially going with Mr Lee Gardner as the first documented person to think of the idea of the 6mm Creedmoor. Find the perfect load for your rifle and shoot accurately. Many 6mm-caliber cartridges are used for various shooting purposes because they provide excellent accuracy and light recoil. HunterMann Well-Known Member LRH Team Member Joined Jan 18, 2021 The new 6mm ARC from Hornady is currently gaining huge popularity as the newest 6mm on the block, and although it has its merits, ballistically it does not come close to the 6mm Creedmoor ballistics as it cannot hold nearly as much propellant. Heres why: First and foremost, the new ARC is designed to be more durable than its predecessor. Not much info out there on them. It also has very little recoil, making it a great choice for shooters of all experience levels. Case in point. So far my "go to" 6GT load is a 112gr Barnes Match Burner at 2900 FPS. bullets. JavaScript is disabled. The 6mm ARC is basically the 6.5 Grendel necked down to hold a .243" bullet with the 30-degree shoulder pushed back a smidgen. As is the case with a handful of other newer cartridges, 6mm Creedmoor ammo has been much easier to find than 243 ammo throughout most of 2020 and 2021, even at the worst of the shortage. 260 Remington vs 6.5 Creedmoor vs 6.555 Swede. If you are looking for a versatile round that can be used for both target shooting and self-defense, the sixmm ARC is a good choice. There are a few things that could potentially shorten its lifespan, but there are also many factors that suggest it will be around for a long time. Using dramatically less powder, it is believed that the barrel on an 6mm ARC will far outlast a 6mm Creedmoor's. It kicks less and has very similar performance regarding wind drift, which after accuracy and consistency is the biggest issue for long-range shooting. 223/5.56. Ballistics are very similar for the 6mm Creedmoor and .243 Winchester inside 500 yards, but the 6mm Creedmoor is much better suited for longer range shots since it can use those more aerodynamic bullets. We have found some 6mm Creedmoor shooters pushing the bullet speeds in excess of 3000 fps to get around 2000 shots out of their barrels, and some have been able to extend that with proper barrel care life letting the 6mm Creedmoor barrel cool between firing strings, and hBN or other coatings on the bullets, or using the Tubb Throat Maintenance System bullets every few hundred shots. Top Precision Rifle Shooter Bryan Zolnikov Talks With LoadDevelopment.com. Photo by Michael Anschuetz. With similar advantages for precision rifle competition shooting as the 6.5 Creedmoor, the 6mm Creedmoor is also a superb competition cartridge, especially for small caliber long range shooting and PRS competition shooting. From the ballistic standpoint, the .244/6mm Rem. Or does it have the staying power necessary to compete with more established 6mm hunting cartridges like the .243 Winchester? It's case length is close to 6mm ARC; The biggest differences between the 6mm PPC and the 6mm ARC are the shoulder angle (30 for 6mm PPC, and 40 for 6mm ARC), and the base-to-datum spec for the shoulder (6mm ARC is pushed back further). This article contains the load data for the 6 Dasher based on a survey of over 100 of the top-ranked long range shooters in the country. Makes for a crazy lightweight 6.5 grendel in their Howa carbon stalker. In simple terms, it's essentially a "6mm Grendel" with the "Creedmoor" treatment, alterations to the shoulder and casing for better feeding, more consistency, and ease of mass production. How does an "avid reloader" figure a cartridge is capable of outperforming another cartridge that has 50% more case capacity? PS - If anyone needs a box of 6mm Creedmoor 105 gr BTHP Hornady BLACK, 20 rounds, and lives in Southeast Michigan, send me a PM, I'll give ya a good deal Click to expand. Like I do with my semi's, rifle & pistol, parts availability, large aftermarket support and readily available reloading components/ammo will need to factor into whatever I decide on. The competition is timed, so first round hits are ideal, but theres more to these competitions than small shot groups. These shooters we poled shot bench rest, PRS, F-Class and simi auto class. 6.8 SPC The 6mm ARC has more match bullet options and is a better long-range performer. If youre looking for a round that can do it all, then the ARC is the one you want. For all the reasons mentioned is why I went with a 6x47 Lapua for a bolt gun. The 6mm ARC cartridge is a new SAAMI-spec cartridge based on the 6.5 Grendel case necked down for 6mm bullets, with the shoulder moved back 0.030. Among others, this list includes the 103 grain ELD-X from Hornady, the 95 grain Barnes LRX BT, the 87 grain Hornady V-Max, and the 100gr Sierra GameKing. I love my Uintah rifle it shoots beyond my expectations for what it is. So, the Creedmoor has about 17% more energy at the muzzle than the 6mm ARC. If youre looking for a round that can do it all, then the ARC is the one you want. Barnes VOR TX ammo is also an ideal choice if youre hunting in states like California that mandate lead free 6mm Creedmoor ammo for hunting. All three cartridges have the same rim .473 diameter and they are all close enough in overall size that they are used in short-action rifles. The 6mm Creedmoor can use the same lighter weight bullets as the .243 Winchester and fire them a bit faster (around 200fps with typical factory loads). Hornady introduced 6mm Creedmoor factory ammo loaded with match and hunting bullets in early 2017. Your point about rifle availability is a valid point. Its large case capacity gave it a slight ballistic advantage . For the the heavier bullets like the 108gr ELD-Match, Hornady recommends 1-8 inch twist barrel, which is what I am also shooting them with in my PRS 6mm Creedmoor rifle and it suits those bullets perfectly. This is not the case with the .243 Winchester (or other cartridges based on the .308 Winchester like the .260 Rem for that matter). Apple|Google|iHeart|Spotify|Stitcher. This will give you a good, safe starting minimum load to work upwards from. So an 6mm ARC @58k psi might get there. With barrels of equal lengths and a 200-yard zero, the 6.5 ELD Match bullet drops 6 inches more at 500 yards than the 6mm ELD Match. I have spent a lot of time in this rabbit hole. Its also incredibly accurate, making it perfect for long-range shots. 6mmARC, 6mmGT, 6mmXC and the 6 creed. Mossberg 500 vs 590: Which Shotgun Is Right for You? For example,when fired from a Ruger American Predator rifle, a .243 Winchester load firing an 90gr Nosler partition has slightly less recoil than a 103gr Hornady ELD-X from a 6mm Creedmoor. These factors make the 6mm Creedmoor very forgiving of range and wind estimation errors while at the same time helping to maximize the shooting abilities of the hunter to the greatest possible extent. The 6mm Creedmoor was also intended for use from the start in semi-automatic rifles like the AR-10 as well as bolt action rifles. Grendel is a great cartridge, is the 6mm ARC that much better? Who knows how long that will last, but its definitely something to keep in mind during the short term. The biggest advantage of the Creedmoor is its versatility. Coming out of the muzzle, it maintains speeds around 2,750 to 2,800 fps. If youd like to learn more about how the 6.5 Creedmoor stacks up to a few other popular hunting cartridges, read the articles below. Like the Nosler Ballistic Tip ammo, their 6mm Creedmoor Trophy Grade ammo is also best suited for deer sized game. Create and promote branded videos, host live events and webinars, and more. Hornadys Precision Hunter line of ammunition is specifically designed for long range hunting. 300-yard D/D/E: -1.7/5.3/1403 600-yard D/D/E: -56.3/23/946 800-yard D/D/E: -135/44/714 Find Reply Dino11 Member Posts: 350 Threads: 33 Joined: Jul 2020 #2 The powder capacity isn't even close. Its not a magical cartridge, but the 6mm Creedmoor does provide real benefits over the 243 Winchester. Like the saying cutting a 300wm down turns it into a 308win. We talk to multi-discipline professional precision rifle shooter, Bryan Zolnikov about his rifle, reloading equipment and load development methods. First you will see the video showing a guy that has hunted hundreds of those sized animals with his 6mm Creedmoor at long range and high shoulder shots. You can push a 6mm arc a little harder than the factory offerings in a bolt gun, and in fact, the hornady reloading manual has two separate sections for loading the 6mm arc, (gas gun/bolt gun) based on maximum pressures of 55k, and 63k, (if my memory serves), but even at the 63k, it lags well behind the 6mm creedmoor. Out of the same barrel length, 18 inches, the 6mm ARC is claimed to be capable of shooting a 108gr ELD Match bullet with a very slightly lower .270 G7 BC at a slightly faster 2630fps. The 6.5 Creedmoor commonly uses 120gr, 140gr, and 143gr bullets. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Interestingly, there is a surprisingly good selection of factory loaded 6mm Creedmoor ammunition these days. Currently 6mm ARC ammo is harder to come by than 6mm Creedmoor. Comparing 6mm ARC to 6mm CR is is apples and oranges again. So where do we stand overall with the .243 Winchester, 6mm Creedmoor, and 6.5mm Creedmoor? Only time will tell for sure, but we think the new ARC has a good chance of becoming a mainstay in the world of competitive gaming. You are using an out of date browser. The 109's are tailored to cartridges such as 6mm Creedmoor, 6mm BR, 6 Dasher, 6XC, 6BRX, and 647 among others. It delivers less drop, less wind deflection and the ability to shoot accurate groups at much greater distance (1000+ yds). In a 10-mph crosswind the 6mm ARC 108-grain bullet drifts 10.9 inches at 400 yards. 6mm ARC vs 6mm GT vs 6XC vs 6 Creedmoor Panther Hollow 2.85K subscribers Subscribe 213 Share 11K views 1 year ago PLEASE READ.. The .223 does have advantages, though. You must log in or register to reply here.